I am amazed that any Christian could think that salvation could possibly come after death. There are no verses in scripture (the BIBLE) that could lead us to that conclusion.
You are correct about hell; but you are incorrect about man inheriting a sinful nature. That has no biblical support.
Thank God for a clear voice in the midst of so much humanistic chatter. We cannot make God over to our own choosing and create a cafeteria faith where you only take the parts you like.
Praise God, Jesus, the sinless one, shed His Blood as redemption for our sins. The real issue is what will you do with the love gift God sent to us to be restored to God. It’s about the Redemptive Blood of Jesus and Righteousness. He has already done everything necessary to restore us. What will you choose?
Roger,
As I read your comment I was so excited! Although you didn’t remember the Bible telling of man inheriting a sinful nature, I am thrilled to be the one to share with the Biblical support you have never seen.
David understood he was BORN with a sin nature – Psalm 51:5 “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.”
And Paul spends quite a bit of his letter to the church in Rome recounting our sin nature, specifically in Romans 5:
“12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— 13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come…For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many…18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.”
Now that you see the Biblical support, let me know what think Roger. I never knew what the Bible said about my sin either but I am excited to see you grow in this area as I have! Praying for you!
Janice,
I am saddened too! I used to deny hell and thus denied the truth. I am so tempted to pick and choose the teachings of Jesus that I want to hear. I think we are all that way. Jesus was real serious about hell. I need to speak boldly about this hard reality as Jesus did. If I really love people, I will warn them of what is to come.
I will be praying for you Janice.
Hell is real but so is the promise that love wins. You can no more trump love with damnation than you can trump damnation with love. They must both be real if we are to believe any of scripture. I know that it is offensive to a fundamentalist to think that someone who bows their knee and confesses Christ after all is revealed to them, after all is made clear, should receive any reward from God. But get over it, if love doesn’t win then the cross failed to reconcile all creation and Satan wins 99% of humanity. Is this the plan of the ages??? “Just as through one man, all were damned, so as through one man (Jesus Christ) all have been redeemed”. There is most certainly a hell to shun and a heaven to gain but you don’t need a fear theology to sell a love message. Preach the rebirth and regeneration of a man’s soul and mind but don’t sell God’s love short… “it’s God’s will that none should perish”… and you can believe that God gets what he wills? We are so arrogant that someone might possibly inherit what only belongs to the elect that we hypocritically preach unconditional love while assuming justice must prevail over agape. The elect are those who find Christ in this life but not at the exclusion of those who had no such destiny. It’s a miracle that God puts up with us at all but don’t sell his love short. MHz
The balance to all this may be found in perhaps the most famous text–John 3:16
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
This texts points to two possible outcomes that come from our choice to accept or reject God’s gift of His Son:
1) everlasting life, or 2) to perish.
Many believe the scripture presents hell as total annihilation (punishment yes, but NOT everlasting punishiment). Scripture says they will perish. (It does not say everlasting life in hell or everlasting life in heaven).
This beautiful truth helps us understand a God of love, who will destroy the wicked but takes no pleasure in eternal torment.
How very sad.
I am amazed that any Christian could think that salvation could possibly come after death. There are no verses in scripture (the BIBLE) that could lead us to that conclusion.
You are correct about hell; but you are incorrect about man inheriting a sinful nature. That has no biblical support.
Thank God for a clear voice in the midst of so much humanistic chatter. We cannot make God over to our own choosing and create a cafeteria faith where you only take the parts you like.
Praise God, Jesus, the sinless one, shed His Blood as redemption for our sins. The real issue is what will you do with the love gift God sent to us to be restored to God. It’s about the Redemptive Blood of Jesus and Righteousness. He has already done everything necessary to restore us. What will you choose?
Roger,
As I read your comment I was so excited! Although you didn’t remember the Bible telling of man inheriting a sinful nature, I am thrilled to be the one to share with the Biblical support you have never seen.
David understood he was BORN with a sin nature – Psalm 51:5 “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.”
And Paul spends quite a bit of his letter to the church in Rome recounting our sin nature, specifically in Romans 5:
“12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— 13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come…For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many…18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.”
Now that you see the Biblical support, let me know what think Roger. I never knew what the Bible said about my sin either but I am excited to see you grow in this area as I have! Praying for you!
Janice,
I am saddened too! I used to deny hell and thus denied the truth. I am so tempted to pick and choose the teachings of Jesus that I want to hear. I think we are all that way. Jesus was real serious about hell. I need to speak boldly about this hard reality as Jesus did. If I really love people, I will warn them of what is to come.
I will be praying for you Janice.
Hell is real but so is the promise that love wins. You can no more trump love with damnation than you can trump damnation with love. They must both be real if we are to believe any of scripture. I know that it is offensive to a fundamentalist to think that someone who bows their knee and confesses Christ after all is revealed to them, after all is made clear, should receive any reward from God. But get over it, if love doesn’t win then the cross failed to reconcile all creation and Satan wins 99% of humanity. Is this the plan of the ages??? “Just as through one man, all were damned, so as through one man (Jesus Christ) all have been redeemed”. There is most certainly a hell to shun and a heaven to gain but you don’t need a fear theology to sell a love message. Preach the rebirth and regeneration of a man’s soul and mind but don’t sell God’s love short… “it’s God’s will that none should perish”… and you can believe that God gets what he wills? We are so arrogant that someone might possibly inherit what only belongs to the elect that we hypocritically preach unconditional love while assuming justice must prevail over agape. The elect are those who find Christ in this life but not at the exclusion of those who had no such destiny. It’s a miracle that God puts up with us at all but don’t sell his love short. MHz
The balance to all this may be found in perhaps the most famous text–John 3:16
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
This texts points to two possible outcomes that come from our choice to accept or reject God’s gift of His Son:
1) everlasting life, or 2) to perish.
Many believe the scripture presents hell as total annihilation (punishment yes, but NOT everlasting punishiment). Scripture says they will perish. (It does not say everlasting life in hell or everlasting life in heaven).
This beautiful truth helps us understand a God of love, who will destroy the wicked but takes no pleasure in eternal torment.